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Samsung VR9000 series models

Postby piokrza » July 6th, 2015, 12:49 pm

Samsung Korea Sth has got 5 new models in Samsung Powerbot VR9000 series (year 2015):

VR20J9010UY (yellow body color, silver-brushed color detail; "low-end" version * - without some functions, lower parameters and fewer accessories)
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VR20J9010UR (red body color, silver-brushed color detail, version of "low-end" * - without some functions, lower parameters and fewer accessories)
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models VR20J9010U *: No set schedule (no digital display); Traditional remote control (without the laser pointer function "Point Cleaning"); programs: auto, spot, manual (no maximum program); 2 degrees of power regulation: normal and quiet; no dirt sensor (no Smart Turbo), docking; choice of voice communications (voice feminine, masculine voice, no voice on / off. beeps); the lack of a container full indicator on the display; no spare filter in the box; lack of magnetic tape; running time 30 minutes (normal mode), charging time 160 minutes; power 80 watts (normal mode); accu Li-ion 21.6V / 39Wh, weight 4.3kg (source: http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/liv ... R20J9010UY http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/liv ... R20J9010UR manual http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/conte ... 00740A.pdf)
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VR20H9052W (white body color, gold-metallic color detail, version of "premium" * enriched with features, higher parameters and more accessories)
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models VR20H9052W* : WiFi connectivity (connectivity with Samsung's Android SmartHome app); scheduling function (1x Delay or Daily); new remote control with laser pointer for "Point Cleaning"; programs: spot, manual, 3 degrees of power regulation: quiet, normal, turbo; dirt sensor (Smart Turbo); remote shutdown; choice of voice communications (voice feminine, masculine voice, no voice on / off. beeps); container full indicator on the display; no spare filter in the box; magnetic tape; running time 60 minutes (turbo mode), 75 minutes (normal mode) 100 minutes (silent mode), charging time 160 minutes; power 70 watts (turbo mode); accu Li-ion 21.6V / 84Wh; Weight 4.7kg (source: http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/liv ... R20H9052WW manual http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/conte ... 00736A.pdf)
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VR20J9250UK (black body color, gold-metallic color detail, version of "lux" * - enriched with some features, higher paramteres and more accessories; also with 180 Watt ** motor power in Turbo Mode)
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Models VR20J9250U* : WiFi connectivity (connectivity with Samsung's Android SmartHome); scheduling function (1x Delay or Daily); new remote control with laser pointer for the "Point Cleaning"; programs: spot, manual, 3 degrees of power regulation: quiet, normal, turbo; dirt sensor (Smart Turbo); remote shutdown; choice of voice communications (voice feminine, masculine voice, no voice on / off. beeps); container full indicator on the display; no spare filter in the box; magnetic tape; running time 30 minutes (turbo mode), 60 minutes (normal mode) 100 minutes (silent mode), charging time 160 minutes; power 180 watts (turbo mode); accu Li-ion 21.6V / 78Wh; Weight 4.8kg (source: http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/liv ... R20J9250UK manual http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/conte ... 00732A.pdf)
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VR20H9031UC (white body color, silver-metallic color detail, "basic" * - without some accessories)
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Models VR20H903* and VR20H905* : (previous models VR20H9050UW and VR20H9050UB from 2014 and one new model VR20H9031UC a'ka "basic" - without some accessories): remote control with laser pointer function "Point Cleaning" or traditional remote control without the support this feature; scheduling function (1x Delay or Daily); programs: auto, spot, maximum, manual; 2 degrees of power regulation: normal and quiet; dirt sensor (Smart Turbo); choice of voice communications (voice feminine, masculine voice, no voice on / off. beeps); bin full indicator on the display; no spare filter in the box; magnetic tape; running time 60 minutes (normal mode), charging time 160 minutes; power of 70 watts (normal mode); Li-ion 21.6V / 84Wh; Weight 4.8kg (source: http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/liv ... R20H9050UW (old model from 2014) http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/liv ... R20H9030UB (old model from 2014) http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/liv ... R20H9031UC (new model from 2015) manual http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/conte ... 00716A.pdf)
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* - In compare to model VR20H9050UW revealed in 2014; below lists the differences (features, tech specs, accessories)

** - 140x greater Powerbot suction power (previous power of 70 Watts) compared to other brand robots power of 0.5 Watt

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EDIT (14/02/2016):

Samsung Poland: 2 new models in Samsung Powerbot VR9000 series

VR20J9020UG ("Essential", lack schedule, simple pictogram display, dirt sensor, weaker suction in compare to VR20H9050UW)

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VR20J9040WG ("WiFi" smartphone app)

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both lacks virtual guard in set (unlike VR20H9050UW)

according to description http://www.samsung.com/pl/consumer/home ... J9020UG/GE "Essential" version is updated on mapping and detecting thin obstacles (furniture legs). Also, when it detects corner of the room it will clean 3x with 10%* increased suction power.
*-more than Max, Normal and Silent.

accoring to tech spec of VR20J9020UG power of the unit "80 Watt" (VR20H9050UW is "70 Watt"), but they say "10x more suction power" (20 Watt) is compared to to suction power of another leading brand robot. VR20H9050UW was compared "60x more suction power" (30 Watt) to Samsung CornerCleanera. Cleaning time is shorter now - 30/60 minutes (depend of selected suction power), to compare VR20H9050UW is 60/100 minutes ("Normal"/"Silent"). Essential has 50% effectiveness on carpet and 91% effectiveness on hard floor, while VR20H9050UW has accordingly - 55% and 95%

EDIT (15/04/2016):

Samsung Sth Korea VR20K9350WK (black body color, silver-metallic color detail, version of "deluxe" - enriched with some features, incl. "Select & Go" (map of the house in the app; simply choose one room to clean), higher parameteres and more accessories; also with 250 Watt* motor power in Turbo Mode)

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Models VR20K9350WK* : WiFi connectivity (connectivity with Samsung's Android SmartHome); scheduling function (SmartApp for Android 4.0 and higher); new remote control with laser pointer for the "Point Cleaning"; programs: spot, manual, 3 degrees of power regulation: quiet, normal, turbo; dirt sensor (Smart Turbo); remote shutdown; choice of voice communications (voice feminine, masculine voice, no voice on / off. beeps); container full indicator on the display; spare filter; magnetic tape; running time 30 minutes (turbo mode), 60 minutes (normal mode) 90 minutes (silent mode), charging time 240 minutes; power 250 watts (turbo mode); accu Li-ion 21.6V / 97.2Wh; Weight 4.9kg (source: http://www.samsung.com/sec/consumer/liv ... R20K9350WK manual http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/conte ... 00743C.pdf)

*-the most powerful robotic vacuum as for 3/2016, 200x greater suction power
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby lonefire » July 6th, 2015, 4:53 pm

Any idea on how much they cost?
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby piokrza » July 6th, 2015, 8:05 pm

According to this: http://about.samsung.co.kr/about/newsVi ... archValue=


VR20J9010UY/VR20J9010UR ~ 840,000 KRW (South Korean won) what is ~ 745 USD or ~ 674 EUR
VR20J9250UK ~ 1,390,000 KRW (South Korean won) what is ~ 1,234 USD or ~ 1,116 EUR
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby piokrza » August 20th, 2015, 12:45 pm

1st video - model VR20J9250UK (180-Watt* motor)

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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby robocleaner » August 20th, 2015, 5:27 pm

Here in the UK, the price of this VR9000 at £600 is not too dissimilar to Roomba 880 or Neato 85 or Karcher3/4000... and there also seem to be far more mainstream retailers selling this VR9000 than those other brands too.

I wonder why we see so few user comments, reviews or complaints about it? All our major/leading UK chain stores sell this model on-line and in store (who wouldn't be offering it if it didn't sell at least moderately well), and it has been available for well over a year now... and yet there's a distinct absence of user complaints/raves/comments.

Maybe it cleans perfectly and works reliably, so few users feel any need to blog about disappointing performance?

In certainly seems very strange to me given the constant flood of issues/problems/breakdowns/returns experienced with the other common brands.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby piokrza » October 11th, 2015, 7:49 am

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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby robocleaner » October 11th, 2015, 10:40 am

From what I've so-far seen, it's a nice-enough stand-alone app, and although it's too early and the VR9000 isn't yet available as integrated into Samsungs SmartThings full home automation system, it's an odds-on bet it soon will be.

The just-launched SmartThings system is in short supply here in the UK (it's showing as out of stock in the US, despite being Amazon US's best selling system), but I've put an order in for one anyway. If this VR9000 gets listed as I suspect it will, I'll likely buy one so I can see/manage/clean my holiday home remotely! That integrated remote control far outweighs any small shortcomings the cleaner itself MAY have (relative to Neato/iRobot). We'll see.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby piokrza » October 11th, 2015, 5:32 pm

Its name is Samsung VR9200J and is currently scheduled in Germany: http://www.samsung.com/de/news/product- ... m-hausputz Was showed at this year IFA
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby robocleaner » October 12th, 2015, 4:10 pm

Yes Peter, I've seen the wi-fi robot and the separate app to control it, and I think it looks good. But as far as I can tell, it's not YET integrated into Samsungs SmartThings Home Automation app, which controls everything in your home.

Samsungs idea here is that instead of having maybe 10 or so different apps to control various cameras, security systems and appliances in your home, SmartThings brings them all under one central system, no matter who made the device, or what control protocol that device might use to operate. The benefit here is the ability to use IFTTT, so - as an example - you could turn off your movement sensitive cameras before deploying the robot on a cleaning mission so as not to push alarm notifications to your phone. And then automatically re-set the cameras/alarm system when the cleaning is finished.

It does seem strange that Samsung are devoting so much time to integrating third-party devices into their SmartThings system whilst not yet integrating some of their own, but I guess a robotic vacuum cleaner isn't too high-up on most peoples lists. But it'll come.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby robocleaner » October 14th, 2015, 6:05 am

This is a reply from the administrator of the SmartThings Home Automation community when asked about integrating the VR9000 into the centralized Samsung SmartThings app:

"We demo'd a pretty cool integration for the [VR9000] robot vacuum at CES in Vegas and AHR in Chicago but have not released anything official yet. I'm not sure the timeline for public release, but I love the idea of scheduling its operation based on mobile presence and only running when no one is home."

So it's coming...

My own SmartThings package arrived this morning... Very tactile Apple in packaging and presentation... without the stupid prices. Seems to me like Apple are screwed before they've even entered the game, but we'll have to see what rabbits Apple can pull out of the hat with their crap HomeKit framework... or whether iRobot/Neato/Samsung et al are prepared to do the leg-work for them.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby glnc222 » October 28th, 2015, 3:32 pm

See later post on increasing suction 38 per cent by omitting the cyclone
http://www.robotreviews.com/chat/viewtopic.php?p=135189#p135189

I am confused by these products. I saw some review I forget where, showing tests that despite the added power the intake design and cleaning system did not perform any better than lower powered models, completely contrary to expectations. More gimmickry. It would be nice to know whether it can navigage on carpets better than others, or extract more dirt. They seem to be into all sorts of smartphone apps more than cleaning. Any more real data would be welcome.
[edit] CNET's conclusion
Bottom line: Top-of-the-line models from Roomba and Neato each clean better than the PowerBot while costing hundreds less. We're sticking with those.

[edit] For "fair and balanced" a more favorable review http://robotvacuums.reviewed.com/content/samsung-powerbot-vr9000-robot-vacuum-cleaner-review
[edit] French kelrobot.fr tests showed less pick up than Neato Botvac, using sugar. The wider intake may be making the stronger vacuum less effective. None of them seem to test real dirt in a carpet.
[edit] Top Ten review of major brands http://robot-vacuum-review.toptenreviews.com/
"Samsung’s latest addition to the word of robotic vacuums – the POWERbot – gave a good run, too. Its cleaning performance beat out most of the competition and maintenance for it was faster than any other bot on our lineup."


[edit] The Powerbot has slightly larger wheels than the others, having a higher profile similar to the Dyson, and even trademarks the wheels. Yet there is no demonstration of moving on deep pile carpet, and instead just references to climbing thresholds. All it takes is certain bath rugs and Ikea throw rugs to defeat these devices.

Instead of referring to such basic needs reviewers look at things like being able to clean a spot marked with a laser pointer. The real use of these robots is to clean the house unattended or completely autonomous. When marketed like a toy to fiddle with, the price is high to me -- lots of other toys available. If it is going to have limited application, at least don't pay too much for them.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby robocleaner » October 28th, 2015, 5:48 pm

Well yes glnc222, but as discussed in that other thread, your extract is only CNET’s opinion. Other reviews rate the VR9000 much more highly than either Roomba or Neato. It's just their opinion; the VR9000 may or may not be "better" than a Neato or Roomba for you (who also market their product using their own special brand of "gimmickry" too).

I’d agree that an app on a phone or a laser pointer is perhaps gimmickry. But you need to look at the bigger picture of what is being achieved here, and Samsung's own reasons for spending $200 million on acquiring SmartThings in August last year. As a business involved in making not just mobile phones and robotic vacuum cleaners, but a full range of domestic home appliances (which are already being adapted – some already available in the shops now), they are perhaps in a unique position to exploit this “control” more fully than any other single company. Apple and Google are also embarking on their own "one app" control systems, but are handicapped from the outset in that neither manufacture any of the appliances with which their tech is expected to work with.

It’s explained more fully here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/aarontilley ... isition-2/

As someone who has 17 remote controls on my own coffee table, testing this SmartThings tech out here and now in my own home, this has exciting potential – in a very real, useful sense rather than just gimmickry.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby glnc222 » October 28th, 2015, 7:11 pm

Lot of testing and details in the favorable French review http://www.kelrobot.fr/2015/05/30/promo-interessante-pour-laspirateur-robot-powerbot-vr9000-de-samsung/
testing http://www.kelrobot.fr/2015/05/30/promo-interessante-pour-laspirateur-robot-powerbot-vr9000-de-samsung/
Easily translates with Google.
[edit] Another french review with detailed pics of actual usage, cleaning brush and filters etc.
http://www.lesnumeriques.com/aspirateur-robot/samsung-vr9000-vr20h9050u-p21440/test.html
Samsung solves some problems, especially in navigation (reactive product more obstacles and smarter), but creates others due to a bulky and thick chassis. Aspiration is the rendezvous, but still disappointing compared to what the manufacturer promises. Its size also deprives the access to whole areas in domestic environment. Too bad, because the management of obstacles and intelligence of this robot are indeed improved.


[edit] German users also liked it http://www.roboter-forum.com/showthread.php?12680-Schnelleindruck-Powerbot-VR9200
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby glnc222 » October 29th, 2015, 1:44 pm

A reference to software source code in the french review. Not sure what this means.
http://opensource.samsung.com/opensource/vr9000H/seq/0
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby robocleaner » October 30th, 2015, 5:31 pm

It means they're acknowledging the use of third-party open-source (license free) code in their programming. Samsung do that a lot. There's no point re-inventing the wheel when the person who already invented the wheel doesn't mind you using their wheel idea without paying them for it.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby glnc222 » November 2nd, 2015, 11:17 pm

warranty Amazon listing shows a 5 year limited warranty and 10 year motor warranty (though which among several motors, drive wheels etc., not mentioned -- probably the fan, least likely to fail).
This is a real appliance warranty compared to the usual suspects' electronic gadget 1 year warranties. Given how these things cannot always be repaired except under warranty, for lack of replacement parts, can be pretty important.
Long warranties have been seen before from Koreans, to promote their cars, now well established in the U.S.
Samsung being one of the Asian industrial empires with 200 $billion revenue, the robot business is a rounding error in the accounts.

I see the "lower parameter" ones on ebay direct from S.Korea free ship $640 to U.S., less than higher end Roomba's and Neato's -- with a lot more power. Says 30/60 minute runs, 80 watts, so high power running similarly tight as a Dyson, but a lot cheaper. Very odd range of combinations of different power levels across an array of models. The "50" with three levels maybe best -- more the merrier.

Width 14 in. only 1 inch wider than a Botvac, not a huge difference. 5.25 in. high -- at the back only -- half an inch higher than Dyson. Looks pretty good competition for the old small companies, and half the price of a Dyson -- which offers only a two year warranty, for the "carriage trade" as they say in the emerald isles.

Some user reports raise questions about effectiveness of the camera guidance, miscellaneous glitches. This method seems to be the future, like difference between solid state electronics and vacuum tubes, the mechanical film reeling camera and digital.

The one thing about the competing Dyson is the ease of navigating furniture with a round shape, combined with a full width intake sharing advantages with the square ones. Might not matter to a lot of customers.

My original reaction to the Neato was it was a lot more equipment for the money than the several year's old Roomba unchanged, and the Samsung looks similar relative to the Neato. The Dyson remains in the collection of luxury products which can always be better with enough expense, Karcher and so forth.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby glnc222 » November 4th, 2015, 7:50 pm

CNET's pickup volume based on rice, while the more favorable French test used sugar. All a matter of your national cuisine. Some use cereal. No eggs benedict.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby glnc222 » November 11th, 2015, 7:38 pm

$499 factory special
November 2015 holiday special at Samsung website, $499 including shipping. Careful which model as they now have a range with different little details, frills. Captures revenue from the upscale crowd where they can. Like options on cars.
[edit] model VR2AJ9020UG/AA 1 year warranty. Battery 6 months. 60 minute run time. 0.7 liter bin.

[edit] Special available Best Buy, Home Depot in the U.S. The larger 9050 $699.
I think this factory special is because of the newer VR9200 model with WiFi available in Australia and Switzerland, expanding distribution in 2016. See later post for details of model.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby glnc222 » November 11th, 2015, 8:20 pm

Replacement Batteries
[edit] per later posts: part no. DJ96-00193A http://www.samsungparts.com/Products/Parts_and_Accessories/PID-DJ96-00193A.aspx Samsungparts.com (the robot model may not be recognized)
21V 6S2P capacity not shown (six cells in series, parallel pairs for capacity).
$158 price consistent with lithium battery twice the capacity of typical Neato Robotics batteries, likely to last three times longer than common NiMh batteries. Price may fall over time as in little demand so new.

Since a lithium ion battery not likely to find after market versions. Lot of safety aspects requiring quality control.
Stores are not listing replacement batteries but customer service advises a different website than samsung.com for sales, samsungparts.com (for such a broad product line in multiple categories).

Parts distributor, Samsung Parts, (also known as J&J Parts) at 1-800-627-4368. Mon - Fri from 9:00 A.M to 8:30 P.M EST. website http://www.samsungparts.com 24 hours a day seven days a week.

Also mentioned an "interactive" review website different from sales http://www.samsungsimulator.com
-- does not list the vacuum yet.

[edit] Battery not found at parts dept. (part number not in owner's manual). Waiting on customer service email.
Vacuums are not even listed in the contact form for Samsung support, which want's model no's. You cannot even contact them by email regarding this product. They have a way to go yet.
[ediit] Samsung is itself a major supplier of battery cells. Some used in Germany for DIY lithium batteries for Neato.
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Re: News 2015: Samsung VR9000 series *up-date*

Postby piokrza » November 13th, 2015, 9:45 am

glnc222 wrote:$499 factory special
November 2015 holiday special at Samsung website, $499 including shipping. Careful which model as they now have a range with different little details, frills. Captures revenue from the upscale crowd where they can. Like options on cars.
[edit] model VR2AJ9020UG/AA 1 year warranty. Battery 6 months. 60 minute run time. 0.7 liter bin.


Powerbot Essential (VR2AJ9020UG/AA) is a low-end version of original Powerbot (SR20H9050U/SR20H9030U). It has 20 Watt suction (vs 30Watt in VR9000), 80 Watt power consumption (vs 70 Watt in original Powerbot), no: max mode, one time Delay, Daily Schedule, Point Cleaning, Dust Sensor, filter indicator. New combo-brush 'Pet Brush' design (bristle-beater bar instead of bristle-bristle bar). Two power settings (Normal, Silent). Same runtime/charging time/battery capacity-voltage.

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