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New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby mofan » December 22nd, 2016, 11:40 am

LG just issued its press release for CES 2017. It has some interesting things to say about its upcoming appliances, including its robot vacuum cleaner. It plans to use machine learning in its vacuums as follows:

"Robot Cleaner: Improved Performance Through Memory
Using multiple sensors and LG’s deep learning technology, LG’s newest robot vacuum cleaner will recognize objects around the room and react accordingly. By capturing surface images of the room, the intelligent cleaner remembers obstacles and learns to avoid them over time. It even recognizes electrical wires and slippers so they don’t end up jamming the roller brush and requiring human extraction assistance. LG robot vacuum can tell the difference between a human and a chair and asks the obstructing person to kindly move out of the way whereas it will simply maneuver around a chair." http://www.dealerscope.com/article/lg-pushes-smart-home-appliances-another-dimension-deep-learning-technology/

Irobot has talked more about its future roombas recognizing and mapping the rooms they are in so that you can tell your roomba to "clean the living room" or "clean the kitchen" and it knows what you mean. At Irobot's analyst day last month it hinted just slightly at what LG is doing, by saying that one area of future focus will be improving the intelligence of how the robot cleans. Recognizing objects and understanding their properties would seem to be a big step in that direction. It is going to be interesting to see what Irobot and other companies will be able to do with machine learning over the next few years. VSLAM navigation was just the beginning.
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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby robocleaner » December 22nd, 2016, 4:20 pm

mofan wrote:...VSLAM navigation was just the beginning.

Perhaps these promising developments you mention is why LIDAR never (IMHO) had any future. Apart from laser detection of boundaries/objects being a difficult high-wear/mechanical proposition to implement successfully/reliably on the cheap, it's only ever going to see in one plane, and never be able to identify/recognise individual objects in the way that a camera-based system can?
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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby mofan » December 22nd, 2016, 5:21 pm

You see the same thing with self-driving cars. 3d LIDAR is much more expensive than digital cameras, and while LIDAR provides good distance information, understanding a visual scene on a deeper human-like level requires cameras. I am not aware of any current or proposed self-driving solution that relies on LIDAR without cameras. Most current solutions use a combination of cameras, LIDARS and/or radar.

Neato currently uses LIDAR for its vacuum but I can just about guarantee that they are working on cameras to either replace or supplement their LIDAR solution. That's not to say that Neato didn't have a great solution for its time- just that these sensor-rich cameras look like they will be the next generation.
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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby robocleaner » December 22nd, 2016, 7:04 pm

mofan wrote:Neato currently uses LIDAR for its vacuum but I can just about guarantee that they are working on cameras to either replace or supplement their LIDAR solution.

Exactly. So why did Neato even bother trying to implement a difficult laser-based solution (difficult to make work given the low cost the product would need to sell for) when everyone else had already, or were in the process of, developing more robust and reliable* camera-based systems?

* By "robust and reliable" I mean by avoiding the need to mechanically spin a very cheaply made laser turret at high RPM, at a constant speed, for long periods of time. I wonder what the designed operational life of this laser/turret assembly actually is/was? Maybe the new fixed-laser tech has a brighter future?
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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby piokrza » January 4th, 2017, 4:12 pm

official LG newsroom states they will show 3 non-vacuum robots:

* LG’s “Hub Robot” designed for home use will double as a smart home gateway and a personal assistant for consumers. It can self-control oven as well as vacuum cleaner. When you enter house it pre-heat oven, when you leave - it will start vacuum cleaner.
* Another robot previewed at CES 2017 will demonstrate new capabilities for tending to one’s yard and garden. It's lawn mower.
* LG’s robot lineup will also include models designed for commercial use in public spaces such as airports and hotels to help improve the traveler’s experience. It's AirBot robot vacuum cleaner for public spaces like airports and Airport Guide Robot - tourist guidance robot for airports

also, they presented quite new robot vacuum for household use, totally redesigned from the ground (may I say...?) in compare to previous generations of Hom-Bot, it seem to have large wide brush-roll mounted in front of the vacuum and extened beyond its body (like Dyson 360 Eye) along with cyclone bin...

2:30 household robot vacuum
5:40 hub robot
6:06 robot lawn mower
6:12 AirBot commercial robot vacuum
6:18 Airport Guide Robot


All LG home appliances will incorporate Deep Thinq smart connectivity system to work together in cloud

Source: http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2016/12/lg-ro ... -ces-2017/
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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby robocleaner » January 4th, 2017, 8:19 pm

piokrza wrote:also, they presented quite new robot vacuum for household use, totally redesigned from the ground (may I say...?) in compare to previous generations of Hom-Bot, it seem to have large wide brush-roll mounted in front of the vacuum and extened beyond its body (like Dyson 360 Eye) along with cyclone bin...
All LG home appliances will incorporate Deep Thinq smart connectivity system to work together in cloud

The promise of true (camera based) object recognition for the home robot vacuum looks interesting.

Interconnectivity between appliances is a development that Samsung has already advanced (remembering that Samsung already make all the appliances too). But I personally really don't see the point of it; it just adds a lot of complexity and confusion for the heck of it (Can you imagine the cost of replacing that screen on the fridge when it fails... or more likely having to trash the whole otherwise working fridge just because it's not economic to repair that screen?). We already have simpler methods/systems/technology/aids on our phones and tablets without adding that kind of nonsense.
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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby piokrza » January 5th, 2017, 5:47 am

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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby mofan » January 5th, 2017, 8:43 am

It will be interesting to see how well the robot vacuum learns. For instance, my roomba always gets hung up on the same lamp. It would be nice if LG's system would allow a robot vacuum to remember which specific objects in the house tend to get the robot stuck and then avoid them in the future.
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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

Postby OntheWay » January 5th, 2017, 2:18 pm

To tell the truth, robo cleaner producers are hardly following the current tech. From the beginning, I was defending the idea of cloud computed robo cleaning, instead of letting a poor onboard computer try to do all the job, but too bad that it took several years to surface.
I believe a couple of cameras and some ultrasonic sensors combined with deep learning tech, will make wonders on a robotic cleaner. The only thing remaining is vacuuming capabilities which may become a lot better if they cancel sticking to low profile models only.
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Re: New LG robot vacuum for 2017 uses machine learning

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