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Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby robomow » January 24th, 2017, 5:05 pm

Hi guys,

how can I start a new board indexed forum for robotic lawn mowers? Specifically Robomow as we would like our customers and non customers to be able to ask and answer questions regarding Robomow.

http://usa.robomow.com/
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » January 24th, 2017, 5:24 pm

[edit]See member's review and comments in "reviews" section http://www.robotreviews.com/chat/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17441

Function of the moderator only. When sufficient interest exists. You now have a thread. I have noticed more discussion of mowers at the German Roboter-Forum. (Maybe in the U.S. lawn tractors are more of interest -- more land.)
[edit] Descriptions of several mowers at http://www.robotlawnmowers.org/
Many sold on Amazon with reviews there.

[edit] The Robomow U.S. website does not have a forum for user discussion as major computer makers have in connection with support, e.g. Lenovo. Of course, those general purpose products are much more complicated and present innumerable support issues for compatibility with many other things and constantly changing software. Samsung puts customer reviews on its website, as do some appliance retailers.

Lots of youtube videos are used by Dyson for promotion, understandably today.

This website here is particularly devoted to engineering and internals of these devices, repairs etc., even reverse engineering when needed.

[edit] Also see review http://www.robotreviews.com/chat/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=19411
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby Panache » April 13th, 2017, 10:11 pm

I would be interested in learning more about robot mowers. I have about 3/4 acre of land and I'm truly fed up of spending every Saturday sweating like a horse for 3 hours. I see some of these mowers are spendy but no worse than a zero turn riding mower. And no oil, sparkplugs and sputtering engines to service. Or compared to hiring a lawn service, they would pay off in 2 years.

I see on the german site a lot more brands and models available there. Are any coming to the US? The only one I see for wide US sale is the Worx Landroid which only covers 1/4 acre. Also it uses the floating razor blades which I read on the german site are tricky if you have trees that shed a lot of leaves and twigs. Anyone got experience with the Robomow?
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » April 13th, 2017, 11:11 pm

No users to speak of here yet, but Google shows several mower review websites covering a number of brands.
Some lawn care services are now supplying robots http://www.greenindustrypros.com/news/12321912/on-demand-robotic-mowing-service-emerges-in-dallas
Picture shows a Husqvarna model -- major garden equipment brand. Robomow claims to be most popular.
http://usa.robomow.com/

Just as vacuum robots do not completely solve the problem of handling all furniture and flooring, I would expect limitations on use of robot mowers depending on your particular grounds.

You can discuss on German Roboter-Forum in English (preferred to poorly translating posts to German), reading with Google or Edge translator, with users there.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » April 13th, 2017, 11:23 pm

Husqvarna Automower 450x, costs $3,500. WIRED review https://www.wired.com/2016/07/husqvarna-automower-450x-review/
Husqvarna makes cheaper models around $2,000, and the competing Robomow costs $2,099.
At that price I would compare to hired help. Gardening services heavily used in this suburban area, $100 a month or something, don't know exactly, depends on size, friends have.
Maybe you could rent out the mower to neighbors, or form a neigborhood coop to share it.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby mfortuna » April 14th, 2017, 7:34 am

I have a fitbit and mowing the lawn helps me reach my step goal every week. I would not even consider a riding mower. Need to get some exercise!
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby Panache » April 14th, 2017, 1:48 pm

We also have a self-propelled push mower and indeed the mowing is part of the exercise routine. But, it is not very enjoyable, especially come 90-degree weather, going on vacations or having to set aside 3 hours each week to mow. Many weekends the wife and I talk about going on a hike but instead stay home to cut the grass. Those 3 hours can be used for some more rewarding activities and projects, imo.

I do speak german so I've joined the roboter-forum, where I learned about the Xiaomi vacuum. Lots of brands and models of robo-lawnmower available in Europe, and good prices, but I can't seem to find how to get them shipped to US (and then service, etc becomes a concern).

From reading the german forum, yes the mowers are not a 100% solution but a 95% solution, you still have to pick up sticks and the first mow of the season needs to be done with the gas mower to chop up all the winter sticks and detritus. But much easier to just go around the property and touch up with the string trimmer most weeks and the robot takes care of the rest.

Looks like the Robomow 630 which is rated at 3/4 acre would be good for my plot, and they are sold in the US. Next would be to ask: When is a good time to buy one? I can imagine during the off season prices drop? $2,500 is a lot to swallow at once.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » April 14th, 2017, 5:02 pm

A bunch of these are at Amazon for U.S. delivery, but most for only 1/4 acre, the most common suburban lot. I expect the issue is mainly battery size for sufficient run time, and you pay by the acre. Something this expensive might warrant a dealer to rely upon for service, but these are specialty tech items.

[edit]Some used ones available. Also on Ebay.

https://www.amazon.com/Landroid-Robotic-Mower-28-volt-WG794/dp/B00SJEUFF4/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_86_t_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=GH40GWBS5GRJ8HDR0760

https://www.amazon.com/Husqvarna-967623405-Automower-Robotic-Install/dp/B01CUV9IJA/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_86_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=GH40GWBS5GRJ8HDR0760

Husqvarna U.S. with dealer locator
http://www.husqvarna.com/us/products/offers/earth-days/?&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=husqvarna%20automower&utm_campaign=Husqvarna_Mowing_Brand_Exact&utm_content=sAVAJ0yEo|pcrid|184854351509|pkw|husqvarna%20automower|pmt|e|pdv|c|&gclid=Cj0KEQjw5sHHBRDg5IK6k938j_IBEiQARZBJWkWdJMQEgSkONhcCBdU7dGLqPh7tId6G911QMcpxWkgaAsGC8P8HAQ

They also make motorcycles and construction equipment.

With a self propelled mower you can tie a rope to a tree or stake to spiral around.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » April 14th, 2017, 7:44 pm

The acreage capacity appears governed by different widths of the bots and cutters, to cover larger areas in the same time and most efficient battery size, at proportional price differences. 3/4 acres takes the larger models.

Robomow appears to be a British company.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby Panache » April 15th, 2017, 1:21 pm

:D Could also get a pack of goats! :D

SO and I will probably make the robo splurge later this summer if we don't spend too much on vacation and we'll see.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » April 19th, 2017, 3:58 pm

German comparison of Robomow and Husqvarna by owner of both:
http://www.roboter-forum.com/showthread.php?13197-Vergleich-Husqvarna-Automower-330X-(430X-ab-2016)-mit-Robomow-RS-630-(RS-635-ab-2016)&p=130032&viewfull=1#post130032
(to see some pics on Roboter-Forum you must register)
Robomow better with leaves. When service companies use Husqvarna they have a crew to rake leaves.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby Panache » April 23rd, 2017, 9:14 pm

Yes, I'm definitely considering the Robomow RS630 or the Husqvarna430. Better name brand recognition with Husqvarna and you can bring it to any dealer for repair. I guess with Robomow you have to box it up and send it in.

But, I do have a lot of trees that shed sticks and leaves and according to various threads in the german forum above, the fixed blades are better at dealing with leaves and stuff.

Anyone got any good ideas on how to use coupons, cashback portals, etc to get a bit of a cut on the price?
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » April 23rd, 2017, 10:01 pm

Maybe Amazon Husqvarna 450X https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B01HR4FRNG/ref=dp_olp_used_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=used
Sent a msg to the weird $400 listing, maybe an error. Pick it up in person... Garden season vulnerability.
[edit] Amazon reported seller's email not working.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » April 24th, 2017, 4:06 pm

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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » April 27th, 2017, 12:02 am

Seasonal Price Changes

A new big thing is websites which track prices on Amazon partly of interest to third party sellers playing pricing games with competition. big business on Amazon now. e.g. https://thetracktor.com/ Haven't checked for ebay.
Get the URL of the catalog page on Amazon to put in this engine (as no ASIN shown). Free website.

For a medium Robomow RC306 a year long or more history of both new and used prices is shown, with an apparent seasonal pattern which makes sense in marketing terms so probably not accidental.

New prices peak now starting May, for a month at the beginning of the gardening season with most demand, while used prices fall. New prices will fall end of summer in August, while used prices will then peak.
I picked this model to try and get one with some sales volume for sample data to be more representative, but you could check others and Husqvarna.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby Panache » May 6th, 2017, 10:50 am

I had some more discussions on the German board and based on my large lot size and numerous trees and flower beds it seems the Automower 450 from Husqvarna is better. It can handle more complex situations (flowerbeds, etc) since it also can use up to 3 guide wires in addition to the boundary wire to find its way back to the station from far corners. Together with GPS functionality, it can tell where it has been and hasn't mowed so easier to use overall. The 430 would work too but would need to be mowing day and night to keep up.

With Robomow one would have to set up separate zones (use more of the wire to break up yard into quadrants and so one would quickly run up against the maximum length of 800 m) and then schedule it to mow each corner x% of the time. So, more tinkering needed. Plus more reports of problems with Robomow. Usually, easy fixes but more tinkering needed. Robomow would be good for flat square lawns.

So I bit the bullet and ordered a 450x from ebay. Bit cheaper than directly from a Dealer. Still quite spendy but still about the cost of a good lawn tractor, and without all the maintenance and oil changes and such.

It should be arriving today :happy-bouncyyellow: I will take some pics and report back as I install it.
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby glnc222 » June 4th, 2017, 3:25 pm

Robomow may support software development, not sure what but files at ftp://sw.robomow.com:2120/
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby spectrum1c » June 9th, 2019, 2:44 pm

Panache wrote:I had some more discussions on the German board and based on my large lot size and numerous trees and flower beds it seems the Automower 450 from Husqvarna is better. It can handle more complex situations (flowerbeds, etc) since it also can use up to 3 guide wires in addition to the boundary wire to find its way back to the station from far corners. Together with GPS functionality, it can tell where it has been and hasn't mowed so easier to use overall. The 430 would work too but would need to be mowing day and night to keep up.

With Robomow one would have to set up separate zones (use more of the wire to break up yard into quadrants and so one would quickly run up against the maximum length of 800 m) and then schedule it to mow each corner x% of the time. So, more tinkering needed. Plus more reports of problems with Robomow. Usually, easy fixes but more tinkering needed. Robomow would be good for flat square lawns.

So I bit the bullet and ordered a 450x from ebay. Bit cheaper than directly from a Dealer. Still quite spendy but still about the cost of a good lawn tractor, and without all the maintenance and oil changes and such.

It should be arriving today :happy-bouncyyellow: I will take some pics and report back as I install it.


Panache, I'm in the research portion of purchasing a robotic lawnmower and really appreciated your helpful posts above. I'm surprised how little unbiased information there is to be had on these machines. 90% of all information I find are from blogs trying to get you buy a mower via their link to amazon.
I've started to look at the German forum you referenced, but it's kind of klunky and confusing to read as I'm using google translate.
I think I'm leaning towards the robomow as it seems to be the most reliable and easiest to repair of the group, but I am a little concerned about the longterm outlook now that they are owned by MTD. My concern is not alleviated by the fact that MTD seems to have made no upgrades to the RS line since acquiring robomow in 2017 other than a $400 price increase (its now $2499)
My lawn is about 13,000 sq ft, with a large back yard and then a smaller front yard divided into 3 islands of which one is connected to the back yard via a 12' side strip next to house. I prefer a higher grass cut which limits my options a bit as most robotic lawnmowers seem to cut at around 2". There seems to be little difference between the RS612, RS622, and RS630 other than battery size, a different motor for the RS612 than the other 2 and larger install kits as you go up in model. As for the presumably weaker motor in the RS612, it looks like it can be replaced with the bigger motor for $180 if it dies. So for the $600 savings, I'm leaning towards the RS612 and plan to replace with the bigger battery and beefier motor when/if the time comes for replacement. Hopefully I'm right in these assumptions as there is so little info out there :)
An alternative would be to go for the Husqvarna, but I'm concerned about their longevity and their ability to handle leaves/twigs. From your research, are the husqvanas comparable in reliability to the robomows? What has your experience been with the 450x?
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Re: Robomow robotic lawn mower

Postby Panache » June 10th, 2019, 12:27 am

I have had the automower 450x for over 2 years now, and it is a wonderful device, the time saved is phenomenal. No more slaving in the hot sun pushing or riding on a loud stinking mower kicking up dirt and bugs and dust and fumes. Instead, me and my wife can sit on the deck drinking a cold one while the automower (we call him Sven), does the work. It is a joy to return from vacation to a cut lawn and not have to pay the neighbor kid to do the job. During those periods with rain each day, the lawn is trimmed and neat. No waiting for that one sunny afternoon after days of rain and then dealing with a jungle. That said, if heavy rain or severe weather is forecast, I will park the mower as it is not supposed to drive through puddles.

If installed correctly, the mower operates automatically and you hardly think of it. It hardly ever gets stuck, and it functions smoothly like any other appliance.The unit has been very reliable, it gets stuck maybe 2-3 times a season, and most of these causes could have been prevented. Mostly when this happens it is if the dirt is soft in the spring and a mower wheel gets stuck in a rut, or a big stick falls on the ground that gets caught in the blade mechanism (need to pick up any larger sticks (the size of an arm or larger) after windy weather)

The small blades have been not an issue, but indeed it cannot chop through big sticks, nuts, etc. It just scores them. So you do have to occasionally follow up with a regular gas mower, mainly in the fall to chop up all those leaves (or get out the leaf blower) or a quick go around around the nut tree to chop those nuts (even the gas mower has a hard time with those, a lot of banging and grinding...should really get that tree removed!). Also, one usually needs to do a go around with the gas mower at the beginning of the season to chop up all the leftover winter detritus. So, the AM it is not a 100% solution but more like a 90 or 95% solution depending on your circumstances. Even Robomow will not chop through sticks and leaves like a gas mower can. Likewise, you also need to follow up with a string trimmer along the edges, just like with any mower, but that just takes a few minutes each week.

I have not looked further into Robomow after my purchase as I have been happy with the Automower. The blades are cheap to replace (can buy generic ones on amazon/ebay) vs the Robomow ones which seem proprietary. Also, back when I was researching mowers, the big Robomow blades are more prone to imbalances as they get worn, so the unit gets noisy and is not good for the mechanism, this per one of the "gurus" on the roboter-forum site.

All mowers (robomow, automower, etc) rely on a perimeter cable laid in the grass with plastic pegs. After a few weeks, the grass grows over it and you do not see it anymore and is securely in place. But, if it gets cut (e.g., animals digging/chewing, being careless with the string trimmer, etc) that can be a bit of a pain to troubleshoot, but it is doable by following the signal with an AM radio or a cable tracker, and where the signal disappears, the wire is broken. This happened to me for the first time 2 weeks ago. Also, laying the perimeter wire around a big yard, especially if a lot of islands are involved, can be a bit of a pain. A Husqvarna dealer has a machine and can do it for you, but I chose to do it myself to save money. Again, this is where one needs to work carefully to avoid problems. For example, not cross the wires or lay the boundary along a steep slope where the mower may slip out of its boundary if the ground is wet, etc. Lots of youtube videos on this.

I am part of the automower FB group, some complaints about more recent models where the power supplies seem defective, but so far no issues yet on my end, but should be covered under warranty for new units.

It took us some time to decide if this was worth the price tag of $3000 (+ cost of installation wire, make sure to get high quality wire that won't corrode, not cheap speaker wire, or go with the AM install kits). But, this is in line with the price of a mid-range riding mower, and the Automower has minimal maintenance costs, no dirty oil or spark plugs to deal with. With the riding mower, you are still spending lots of time sitting on the hot, noisy machine in 90 degree weather, sweating and breathing kicked up dirt and pollen.

Also, for all robot mowers, it is recommended that they get serviced once every year or two at a dealer (check that the motors, etc are still working right, test the battery, update the software, clean out components, etc). With Husqvarna, there probably is an AM dealer (check the website) within driving distance. I live in a rural area but there still is a AM dealer 50 miles away in the city suburbs. Not close, but I can drop it off during the winter season and make it an excuse to catch a show in town. With Robomow, you have to rely on phone support and for maintenance, etc., send the unit in via UPS. These units are large and heavy (the size of a large microwave oven, so shipping is not cheap or easy).

I'm not sure if this answers your question, but I'd be happy to answer any others.
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