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Dyson DC06 Vacuum

Postby Beyonder » May 17th, 2006, 1:48 am

Does anyone know if they are going to come out with this anytime soon?

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Postby THX-1138 » May 17th, 2006, 12:22 pm

Hello Beyonder,

Welcome to this forum!

Per Dyson, on July 2005, their robot version was cancelled. Here is the Email they sent to one of our forum members:

"Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email dated 17th July 2005.

Dyson has developed an autonomous vacuum cleaner that is powerful enough to clean efficiently and is sufficiently intelligent to take a methodical path around the room. However, given current technologies, it is impossible to achieve high pick-up performance without pushing the cost of the machine above acceptable levels. Therefore Dyson will not be releasing this model at the present time.

Producing something that bounced aimlessly off the furniture and picked up very little dust would have been easy, but James Dyson insisted the Dyson DC06 robot should not only clean properly but should also guide itself more logically than a human would.

Should you have any further queries please do not hesitate to contact our Helpline on 08705 275 104. The Helpline is open 8.00am to 8.00pm, seven days a week.

Alternatively, please reply to service@dyson.co.uk for a speedy response. Using 'reply to sender' may result in a delayed response. For online Customer Service, please visit <http://www.dyson.co.uk/> and select 'Customer Service'.

Yours sincerely,

Daniel Whear
Customer Liaison"

Here is the original thread were it came from :

DYSON TALKS

It's sad that Dyson is not moving forward with this, there is much future in consumer robotics and so far iRobot is the king in this area.
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Postby Beyonder » May 17th, 2006, 1:16 pm

Hello THX-1138, thanks for the Welcome to the forum!! :D I never knew that Dyson decided to cancel there robotic vacuum, that is sad. I would buy a Dyson Vacuum cleaner but I simply do not care for a upright vacuum, I want a Robotic Vacuum. I have already returned my iRobot Roomba Scheduler to the store to get me a better Robotic Vacuum, called the Friendly Vac by Friendly Robotics, as it is the only TRUE Robot Vacuum that cleans your floors. It is the King in Robotic Vacuums. I'm VERY certain you will be able to tell the difference. The comparison between the Roomba and the Friendly Vac is like between a Ford Escort and a Mercedes. There are many many many hardware and SW differences and capability differences but one of the largest differences between the 2 is that the Friendly Vac is AS powerful or close to as powerful as your current upright vacuum, Roomba is more like a "non-electric push sweeper". The old saying of "You get what you pay for" is certainly the case here.
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Postby dave w » May 17th, 2006, 2:39 pm

Yes!! I can see a vast difference between the "Friendly Vac" and the Scheduler you returned. The Friendly Vac is priced like a Mercedes, and it does NOT clean under; beds, chairs, sofas, tables, etc. etc. etc Everywhere my cats like to curl up and leave wads of hair. ....the "King" has no clothes.
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Postby THX-1138 » May 17th, 2006, 11:01 pm

Hello Chris,

If you were willing to dish out US$3,500.00 for the Dyson then I salute you.

True that both Friendly Vac and 'was to be' Dyson DC06 robotic vacuum are better vacuums compared to the iRobot Discovery series but iRobot has something that both the Dyson and Friendly Vac do not, they are not low profile (easy to get under the bed and furniture) and has a great effectiveness/price ratio. That is why iRobot wins hands down, both the Dyson and Friendly Vac may clean better in certain areas but are extremely expensive (for just being dust cleaners) and do not clean under furniture and along walls very well.

I really hope that iRobot steps up it's R&D to incorporate the good things that both Dyson and Friendly Vac has, better cleaning mechanisms and avoidance /mapping systems while keeping the price reachable to the mass market.

One possible contender would be LG's Roboking VR-4000 robot but it's price range is in the low US$1000 range and it is not available in Europe and America as of this date.

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Postby Todemesne » May 18th, 2006, 4:13 am

Here we go again. The obsession with "SUCTION" as if it is the be all and end all of cleaning. Quite frankly I don't think I could go to work and leave some oversized suction "monster" roaming my house on its own. It would have to have plenty of failsafe devices before I would try it.

If the Roomba doesn't have good carpet suction then what is all that crap that gets in my filter?

As for aimlessly bouncing around, irobot have hit on a cheaper alternative to mapping that works really well. It also means that the roomba will pick up what it missed on its first pass on a second or third attempt. I don't think a cleaner no matter how good can pick up 100% on it's first sweep. And isn't that what mapping is supposed to be about?

I think irobot need not worry about their products cleaning capabilities. They have hit on a method that is as effective if not better than their competitors and at a fraction of the price. What I would like to see is much better reliability and robust components.

But hey, just my opinion! :D
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Postby Roombarry » May 23rd, 2006, 7:15 pm

I loved this quote from the Dyson reply letter as to why they are not making arobot vacuum:

James Dyson insisted the Dyson DC06 robot should not only clean properly but should also guide itself more logically than a human would.


Perhaps we have a few, highly specialized computer algorithms that are "more logical" than a human... they play Chess and Backgammon and do nothing else. Dyson may be waiting a while.
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Postby kissmybot » June 24th, 2006, 9:14 am

These other models intrigue me. If Dyson and iRobot were smart, they would collaborate and release a model together. It would be understandably higher price than a base Roomba and I would bet that people would pay the extra money.

The only major problem I see is that if you pick up more of the dust, you must have a larger bin. I think Roomba is right about the perfect size right now. It is small enough to get into most tight places.

Could there be improvements on Roomba? Yes. But I agree with the consensus that iRobot has the best overall product on the market at the best price.

The suction issue on a robotic vacuum can go either way. I feel the roomba has ample suction especially when I empty the filter. The robot continues to pull dust out of the carpet and the amount gets less with each use. I do understand that a Dyson, Rainbow or Kirby will get more, but that is a mute point if you don't drag them out weekly to vacuum. I know I didn't in the past and don't plan on it in the future. I own a Dyson and love the vacuum. Before that, I owned a Rainbow. I love both vacuums and am/was amazed at the sheer volume of dirt that was pulled out of the carpets by them.

If you are willing and have the time and energy to vacuum your whole house once a week or drag the machine out several times a week to do certain areas then a full size vacuum is all you need. If you are like the majority of the population and have a household that moves pretty much nonstop, this is not feasible. The roomba offers an affordable compromise that can help keep your home clean between deep cleanings.

I am in no way considering to get rid of my Dyson. Heck, I just sold my Rainbow to get it. But, if you ask me which vacuum I use more often, the Roomba would win hands down and believe me, the Dyson gets used as well.
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Postby kaidomac » April 2nd, 2007, 2:35 pm

It looks like they're back in the game:

Gizmodo article

Dyson preparing a Roomba killer?
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Postby THX-1138 » April 3rd, 2007, 9:58 am

Looking forward to this new robot from Dyson! Really like their vacuum technology but in order to compete market share with iRobot they will have to have their price range near Roomba's; otherwise their robot will be a niche device that is nice but too expensive for mass market like Trilobite, Karcher and others :wink:
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Postby kaidomac » April 6th, 2007, 6:16 pm

THX-1138 wrote:Looking forward to this new robot from Dyson! Really like their vacuum technology but in order to compete market share with iRobot they will have to have their price range near Roomba's; otherwise their robot will be a niche device that is nice but too expensive for mass market like Trilobite, Karcher and others :wink:


Yeah, even Roombas seem too expensive for most people. The average person doesn't appreciate all of the technology that goes into a Roomba and thus only sees the price tag. Personally I thought I got my Roomba for a steal - $162 at Buy.com with an APS battery, fast charger, and home base - but when I tell people the price, they are shocked at how "expensive" they are. $162 is cheap even for a good upright vacuum cleaner, not to mention a robotic vacuum cleaner.

The mindset just isn't there in relationship to the price for the general population, I think. Even when I walk them through the logic - "how much did your vacuum cost?" "I dunno, maybe $250" "what about a vacuum plus a robot?" "hmm". There's still the price barrier there, despite understanding the technology. If Roomba can make a decent model for $99, I think more people might jump on board. Or even make the Roomba Red available for like $79, then sell accessories at the store (home base, longer-lasting battery, faster charger, etc.), I'm sure that would be a hit. Plus they need to make them easily accessible, like be able to buy them at Walmart or something.

Dyson isn't known for "cheap" vacuuming technology either :lol:
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Postby lee635 » October 31st, 2008, 4:51 pm

I'm not sure why a vacuum cleaning robot needs to be "smart". Think about the Concorde. Yeah, it was super fast and cutting edge. However, with the exception of a small niche market of the super rich, no one was willing to pay the premium for getting across the pond faster.

Same thing with the roomba. I would rather see incremental improvements in the sucking power, battery technology and overall durability of a roomba, than see roomba invest in a bunch of R&D to make the thing "smarter". The only smarter technlogy would be continued improvements to the sensors, so it touches the walls and funriture less.

So I think that maybe dyson is going in the wrong direction. Who cares if the thing is somewhat inefficient in its movement algorythm, a human isn't pushing it, so who cares?
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Postby THX-1138 » November 1st, 2008, 2:10 pm

Seems that you manually do everything at home and work. Intelligent machines is the next evolutionary step for these devices. If you like Roomba then enjoy them, I did at one time but looking forward to intelligent machines. :wink:
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Postby ibarbvic » November 1st, 2008, 7:01 pm

This is a video of the restyling of the LG VR-4000, now VR5806, really pretty, irobot must be fast with their development.

Where can I buy one of this?

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Postby ibarbvic » November 1st, 2008, 8:02 pm

This is the picture.
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Postby eqwalker » November 1st, 2008, 10:25 pm

Oh I would like to give one a try.
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Postby THX-1138 » November 2nd, 2008, 1:00 am

The LG robotic floor cleaner is OK but Samsung has something much better that will clean your floors more efficiently than any other robot, also it is currently in the South Korean market for about US$400:


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Postby thermidorthelobster » November 2nd, 2008, 9:41 am

There's more to life than sucking. I have two vacs which do just as good a job of cleaning as my Dyson (one is a Roomba Discovery) but they don't have much suction power; they just use a more clever cleaning method instead. Dyson don't seem to have realised that you can clean a floor very efficiently without having to have the suction of a jet engine.

I'd heard that the Dyson prototypes, which presumably sucked like a humongously sucky thing, had a battery life just about long enough to get from one side of the room to the other, because all the power was going in to the awesome, unbeatable (and totally unnecessary) suction!
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Postby ibarbvic » November 15th, 2008, 8:49 pm

The samsung robot has new room matic navigation. but the battery is NiMH. :?

Check this video. :shock:

http://video.naver.com/2008092412573935736
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Postby THX-1138 » November 17th, 2008, 9:03 pm

Hello ibarbvic,

Did you get to check the link I provided? :roll: There was a couple of videos showing how the Samsung floor cleaning robot maps out rooms.
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