News 2018: ILIFE W400

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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » June 9th, 2019, 12:54 pm

cleaning solutions
This blog discusses several alternative cleaning solutions for Scooba, with amounts to use, which should be relevant to other similar devices, and the particular caustic components which can damage mechanisms (or floors), ammonia etc, clogging oil and what not. (Stone floors have particular vulnerabilities.)
The Clorox Scooba branded product is apparently gone with that device brand.
https://ramblingsoncastiron.blogspot.com/2011/08/alternative-cleaning-solutions-for.html
Mentions a Mr. Clean (Proctor & Gamble major brand) Finished Floor cleaner, that is "safe for automatic floor scrubbers".
Concentrate for dilution -- mentions Sam's Wholesale, but lot of google links. P&G says
Contains ingredients to cause the rapid collapse of its suds, making it an excellent choice for use in automatic floor scrubbing machines. Contains an optimized blend of nonionic and anionic surfactants designed to help maximize soil removal.

Listed in stock at Lowe's in the U.S., only for order at Home Depot (clearly not just Sam's Wholesale Club as stated in the blog linked).

Since a gallon jug is labeled 120 gallons use made, and 128 fluid ounces per gallon, apparently add 1oz per gallon; W400 holds about 1 quart (1/4 gallon), so add only 1/4 oz or 1.5 teaspoons to a full tank. Surprising so little can make any difference.
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » June 9th, 2019, 3:38 pm

I would not think water in the tanks should matter, it just sits there. Besides, it is rather difficult to dry out an enclosed tank, compared to the brush. Tanks are made to hold liquid...

For other possible cleaning fluids a long thread on them for the iRobot Scooba, possibly relevant to the iLife, is at http://www.robotreviews.com/chat/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1917&hilit=cleaning+fluid+fluid
A lot of things tried there look dubious. Some scattered bits on the chemistry involved. Interesting the iRobot cleaning fluid, without the clorox label, is still available. More expensive than the Mr. Clean Finished Floor Cleaner mentioned above.
Interesting the Bissell stick floor washer with similar mechanism and brush has Bissell cleaning solutions sold for it.
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » June 10th, 2019, 5:28 pm

Cleaning Solution Found

Operating Rate
The W400 cleans at a rate of approximately 12 seconds per square foot, consuming 0.12 fluid ounce of water per square foot. Based on 20 minutes and 12 fluid ounces to cover a 10 x 10ft area.
Tank capacity is about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces giving a range of 266 sq.ft. over run time close to an hour.
[edit] Official capacity 845ml (3.5oz less than a quart), per review with details at
[url]845 ml of clean water in a container provides approximately 215 sq ft of cleaning.[/url]

Cleaning Solution
Bissell and others make corded stick cleaners with mechanisms similar to the W400, which is just a robotic motion version of those. All those full size roller washers have cleaning solutions sold by the makers. I had mentioned before the Proctor & Gamble Mr. Clean Professional Finished Floor Cleaner which P&G notes as suitable for robotic washers. However, this material is sold in gallon jugs supporting 120 gallons of solution, suitable for cleaning service businesses with volume use. Gallons go for $14. It would take years for me to use one jug of this taking up an annoying amount of storage space.

Bissell sells a 32 oz bottle of Multi-Surface cleaner for its Crosswave stick washer which appears to be more dilute. They also have other special Pet cleaners etc. which might be less suitable. The bottle does not specify the usage amount, and I could get only a rough idea examining the washer in a store. They say only to add fluid between two marks on the tank, which looked like they might take 6 cubic inches or 3 fluid ounces on a quart size tank (I could not get the tank out to measure it more precisely -- some owner will have to report).

More attractive was one from Hoover, which sells a stick washer with flat spinning bristle brushes and water extraction similar to the others. Hoover's 32 oz bottle of "Citrus & Sage Multi-Surface" cleaner, for "sealed floors and area rugs" washers in white bottle, pet safe, specifies 2 fluid oz per quart dilution. It is a tad cheaper than the Bissell, around $8 in Walmart, and appears a little more concentrated for longer use. I only need 1 pint of water with 1 oz or 2 tablespoons of cleaner added for the 100 sq ft kitchen (actually only 12 ounces consumed).

"Sealed floors" probably means not suitable for stone floor; glazed ceramic tile is another matter.

As these are solutions you shake them before use to insure good mixing.

I tried this in the W400 and noticed no foaming, no interference. How much these materials improve cleaning I do not know, but P&G advertises great improvement over water for its material. It is pretty common to clean floors with some sort of cleaning fluid.
For good measure I rinse out the clean water tank as well as the discharge tank when using the detergent, just to minimize residue.
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby Botty » June 10th, 2019, 6:16 pm

Good work, thanks. I’ll try and find some in the UK.
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » June 10th, 2019, 9:09 pm

Now all we need is one with "parsley, sage, rosemary, and thyme" obtainable at a certain famous fair...
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby Botty » June 11th, 2019, 3:06 am

do you think the standard scooba 450 liquid would be ok to use in the w400?
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » June 11th, 2019, 5:03 pm

Certainly that should work; they are all the same sort of mechanism for handling fluid. I would wonder whether any official Scooba products are available since the line was discontinued when iRobot bought Mint, renamed Braava. Supplies do sometimes get continued for existing owners, for a time.
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby Botty » June 12th, 2019, 4:11 am

there's also the new fluid for the braava m6 - https://store.irobot.com/default/parts- ... 32813.html
wonder if that may work
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » June 12th, 2019, 2:27 pm

The user guide for the new Braava M6 loaded with computing features more than cleaning, is at
https://homesupport.irobot.com/euf/assets/images/faqs/braavajet/mseries/manual/m6/en_US.pdf
Only this model Jet shows the cleaning fluid, diluted there 2oz per 13oz tank (less than a pint compared to quart size iLife using 2oz per quart; Braava's physically small so smaller tanks). Sold in 16 oz bottle $8 same as 32 oz Hoover, so more expensive. It is understandable they warn only this fluid should be used in Braava since they aren't going to test and analyze other ones or promote competing brands.
Not even their own Scooba fluid -- which could well be the same formula, who knows (but is discontinued, so how can they reference it?) It's all marketing.
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » June 12th, 2019, 7:03 pm

Amazon UK does not list any Hoover products, but does have the Bissell. Odd in a place where vacuuming is called "Hoovering".
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby Botty » July 4th, 2019, 5:59 am

a few weeks later with regular use and this is still good, although the fact it dosn't quite get right up to walls annoys me a bit. overall still great though.
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » July 4th, 2019, 9:25 pm

As I use it most of the time only on 10x10ft kitchen taking 20 minutes, I do not recharge after each use, just after every two uses, to reduce the number of charging cycles on the battery. It can run long enough on a charge to do two cleanings. Batteries last a certain number of charging cycles, up to 400 with lithium batteries, depending on the case.
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Re: News 2018: ILIFE W400

Postby glnc222 » July 6th, 2019, 8:57 pm

If it runs out of water before finishing the area run, it stops and says "check clean water supply". Very considerate.
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