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Scooba 350 / Scooba series minor issue...

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Anyone noticed that Scooba sometimes will finish its cycle in the most inappropriate places, like underneath the bed :( Whats worse is it has a full tank of dirty water on it and u have crawl in and get it out!!! I've been using Scooba to clean my bedrooms and while doing so, i usually close the bedroom doors so that it can clean the area behind the doors as well. There was once it finished the cleaning cycle right behind the door. Imagine that... u have to push hard while opening the door to force Scooba to move sideways to get into the room :x

I'm just wondering....wouldnt it be great if Scooba is equipped with a light sensor or better still an RF remote controller (like the Roomba 500 series?) so that u can access Scooba functions from a distance? It also helps to engage the dry mode earlier when cleaning a small room with a full tank of clean water. Anyone else experienced such similar incidents?
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sys12345 wrote:Anyone noticed that Scooba sometimes will finish its cycle in the most inappropriate places, like underneath the bed Anyone else experienced such similar incidents?
YES.... :x But the door one is the one that happens most often.

The Scooba does obey some of the Roomba's remotes commands. I'm not sure which though as I haven't used the remote lately.

I'm sure some others will comment.

I can't remember but isn't the Scooba supposed to stop in lighted areas and not under things or am I thinking about one of my other 'bots?

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geekgranny, you are absolutely correct. The Scooba 5900 has a darkness sensor that should prevent it from shutting down in dark places. I'm not familiar with the other models.
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This is strange cos if my Scooba 350 is also equpped with a light sensor like the 5900, it certainly isnt functioning as well. Anyone knows if the newer Scooba 3xx series has a light sensor? Where is the light sensor located?
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All Scooba series have the light sensor nearest to the "CLEAN" button, towards the edge. I haven't seen it work as it should, it is a nice feature if it worked. The only robotic cleaner that has one and it works well is the Cleanmate series from Metapo/Infinuvo robots. :roll:
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vic7767 wrote:geekgranny, you are absolutely correct. The Scooba 5900 has a darkness sensor that should prevent it from shutting down in dark places. I'm not familiar with the other models.
Thanks Vic. I only have two places where the Scoobas could potentially stop under something, out of reach. One is a bed in the office, with canvas dust skirt, pretty dark under there (and the room is pretty dark also), and the other is a "fainting couch" in the dining room, also pretty dark under it towards the dark colored wall. I don't recall having Scooba stop under those or if it has happened, not enough for me to take note. All four of mine must be functioning properly as they have all been given the chance to clean under those objects. :D

I haven't given the Metapo QQ-2 a chance to go under anything. I'll charge it up and set it loose in the office.

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THX-1138 wrote:All Scooba series have the light sensor nearest to the "CLEAN" button, towards the edge. I haven't seen it work as it should, it is a nice feature if it worked. The only robotic cleaner that has one and it works well is the Cleanmate series from Metapo/Infinuvo robots. :roll:
The 5800 does not have light sensing. It was one of the features Irobot said they removed. The 350 & 380 do not mention having it in their manuals. Maybe someone with a 350 and/or a 380 could run diagnostics & let us know what the light sensor test does.
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Howard, my 5800 does in fact have a light sensor. I have run the diagnostics, and one of the tests, it checks to see if the sensor is functioning properly, in which mine passed.

The scheduling remote will drive the Scooba. I used to drive the Scooba towards me when it finished. I never tried to power it up or start the clean cycle. But, all directional pads work.
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Howard wrote:
THX-1138 wrote:All Scooba series have the light sensor nearest to the "CLEAN" button, towards the edge. I haven't seen it work as it should, it is a nice feature if it worked. The only robotic cleaner that has one and it works well is the Cleanmate series from Metapo/Infinuvo robots. :roll:
The 5800 does not have light sensing. It was one of the features Irobot said they removed. The 350 & 380 do not mention having it in their manuals. Maybe someone with a 350 and/or a 380 could run diagnostics & let us know what the light sensor test does.
Today is day one of Scooba marathon day(s). Today and/or tomorrow I'll run a 350 and then a 5800 in the office to see what happens. A large part of the available floor space is taken up by the bed.

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Fraggboy wrote:Howard, my 5800 does in fact have a light sensor. I have run the diagnostics, and one of the tests, it checks to see if the sensor is functioning properly, in which mine passed....
Fraggboy, would you please examine your 5800's Owner's Manual to see if the ambient-light sensor is illustrated and discussed in it.
I have just done that exam by searching through the first version of the 5800-OM, and no mention of such a sensor is in it. iRbt was doing everything possible to cut mfg-cost of that Scooba; so, if it could save a nickel by omitting a feature, it did.
Perhaps, once 5800-sales took off, the light-sensor was later added to that model.
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My, My. I did not know that they have omitted the light sensor. That is one of the things on my 5900 that really works well and keeps my 5900 from stopping under things. I have seen it work many times when it has finished a cycle and is just driving around till it gets back out into a lit area. Kinda glad I have a 5900 instead of one of the new ones if that feature is not on the new ones.
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Gordon wrote:Fraggboy, would you please examine your 5800's Owner's Manual to see if the ambient-light sensor is illustrated and discussed in it.
Gordon, the Owner's Manual doesn't have anything about the light sensor. When I tried the Scooba Diagnostics for the 5900(Updated one, from your URL), all of the tests worked on my 5800, including the light sensor test. **Shrugs** I don't know.

I don't have a dark place where it could stop to verify.
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Fraggboy wrote:...Gordon, the Owner's Manual doesn't have anything about the light sensor.
OK. Thanks for looking.
... When I tried the Scooba Diagnostics ... all of the tests worked on my 5800, including the light sensor test.
Yes, I had seen your report, and was not questioning whether your specific 5800 had the light-sensing feature. Its just that all of iRbt' 5800's introductory material, even the hype, never mentioned the ambient-light sensor.
It is easy for me to visualize there to be no savings in mfg cost, perhaps even an increase could result, by eliminating all possible components related to that function! Instead of deletion, the Company could have allowed all parts to be included, but simply decide to not mention, and (more importantly) support the light-sensing function.
I don't have a dark place where it could stop to verify.
In such a case, you might try running Scooba, say at night, when you could then switch off interior lighting to see how it responds.
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Gordon wrote:In such a case, you might try running Scooba, say at night, when you could then switch off interior lighting to see how it responds.
Great! I will do the test this weekend. How will the Scooba react to it pitch black? Should I see the strange behavior during the drying cycle, or after the 5 minutes? Will it drive around erractically, or what kind of behavior should I be looking for and when?
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It will just continue moving, seeking a light source and if none is found it just stops to complete it's cleaning cycle. I wished that this feature would be implemented on the Roomba with the efficiency of the Cleanmate sensor. :wink:
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Fraggboy wrote:
Gordon wrote:In such a case, you might try running Scooba, say at night, when you could then switch off interior lighting to see how it responds.
Great! I will do the test this weekend. How will the Scooba react to it pitch black? Should I see the strange behavior during the drying cycle, or after the 5 minutes? Will it drive around erractically, or what kind of behavior should I be looking for and when?
Good Qs, for which I have no experienced answers! Here are some guidelines (which suggest the test may not go off as quick as we would like).

The light-sensor's purpose is to prevent the robot from quitting--presumably switching its power OFF-- while under, e.g., a bed after having depleted all battery-charge. But, the bot also has a job to do in that darkened space, so we can't expect it to simply respond to the dim-condition by immediately racing out from under the bed.

With *that* in mind, I foresee the need to run a cleaning mission (maybe, one-plus) long enough in a lighted space to use up a lot of charge, but not trigger a battery-depleted halt.

Doing that, will permit you to do other things while waiting for the proper condition. For you to *know* when that condition is imminent, one or more trial / timed cleaning sessions may have to be done in advance. (Sounding more like work, now, eh?)

Then, with Scooba chugging away, and w/in minutes of a dead-battery-halt, you switch off the room lighting, to put Scooba in the dark.

Scooba's firmware will have been sampling battery-voltage, and at some voltage level it will "set a flag", and begin watching for a reduction in ambient light level. {I'm making this up, you must realize, since very few people in the Universe know what the firmware does!}

I think we must assume the worst-case "lost in the dark" situation; and that would be the case in which the bot entered the dark area without 'knowing' it should be concerned about loss of light (in your test, this would be represented by switching lights off too soon), did some cleaning under there--enough random 'navigation' that it could not retain an internal bread-crumb trail to permit back-tracking--and *then* the battery-low state and lights-off state occurred.

When the MCU (already being aware of low-battery) learns *lighting has been lost*, it halts squirting of cleaning-solution, shuts OFF power to its wheels, then it calls on its emergency "find the light" routine.

What can it possibly do to get back to the light? I see two possible actions--others may see more.

1) Scooba may spin in place, doing a full-circle, body-centered rotation. Thanks to Howard, we know the MCU will respond to at least three light-levels (Self-Tests show that). *Probably* the light-sensor's circuit provides an analog signal to the MCU, hence, it *may* be capable of responding to all levels. IF so, Scooba will be watching for any increase in illumination as it does that full-circle rotation, and log the wheel-turns count it took to reach that pointing.
Then, its just a matter of rotating around to that position, and strike out on a vector to see if light-intensity increases. If no increase, then operations would default to the next process.

2) Having logged some room-size data before going under the example bed, and (*possibly*) 'knowing' the dimensions of the largest bed it may ever be stuck under, Scooba may try straight-line excursions of particular length(s). interspersed with right-angle and/or 180-deg turns, in an attempt to see light.
When it sees light, it travels toward it, and ultimately halt itself and sound the job-ended tones.

Therefore, Fraggboy, when you (in the dark-room) hear motors switch off, then wheels start driving (the Vac/Blower motor may be left on for a while, or not), you should be prepared to turn on a remote (like in a hall) light, so Scooba has a target to seek.

Well, sorry it took me so many words to get to the end! I always find that I write more words when I talk about something I know nothing about!

I just caught a peek at THX's one-liner! I wonder if its really that simple(?). THX: Have you run a dark-test on Scooba?
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I now have a 5900, a 5800, and a 350 running in the office that has standard bed with heavy canvas type dust skirt making under the bed pretty dark. I turned on a couple of lights in the room. Will report back. I'll, also, run a second mission with all three using spare batteries that are charged up already.

The 5900 is not OSMOed. The 5800 is a recent build/purchase from HSN. It is OSMOed.

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Yes indeed and that is the reaction I received from my OSMO'd Scooba 5900. Though I like very much your thoughts to be implemented to these robots instead! That is how the Cleanmate series works. :wink:
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THX-1138, i cant locate the light sensor on my 350... is it visible externally?
THX-1138 wrote:All Scooba series have the light sensor nearest to the "CLEAN" button, towards the edge. I haven't seen it work as it should, it is a nice feature if it worked. The only robotic cleaner that has one and it works well is the Cleanmate series from Metapo/Infinuvo robots. :roll:
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Re: Scooba 350 / Scooba series minor issue...

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gg, u r right... the Roomba remote controller does work with Scooba. Navigational drive commands, forward, turn left, turn right works, including clean activation and dry cycle activation. The dry cycle activation comes in handy especially when u need to engage dry cycle at a distance while the floor is still wet. Unfortunately, we cant use the controller to move Scooba when its behind the door as the IR signal cannot penetrate the door. RF is required for this. :(
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sys12345 wrote:Anyone noticed that Scooba sometimes will finish its cycle in the most inappropriate places, like underneath the bed Anyone else experienced such similar incidents?
YES.... :x But the door one is the one that happens most often.

The Scooba does obey some of the Roomba's remotes commands. I'm not sure which though as I haven't used the remote lately.

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