Idea's for FW 2.2 or next FW

[syossi2]

Hi every one

Maybe we can think for upgrade\update for FW 2.2?

Like
1. Option for sound effect for action
(Like the revers parking at the demo)
Sound like
"I GO TO SLEEP" when neato finish the job
Or he start to crying when it bump on something
Or it's clean the third room or after 20 minute he will be said "I need vacation"

2. 2 mode of clean, "draft" and "fine"
one will be clean just at line without any crossing or "better job" and second will be like now on the 2.1 that he sometimes do over at the some are again or cross again in some lines

Thanks
yossi

[dinkydong]

I'd love to see an option for changing the height detection trigger for the cliff sensors (if possible). That way, i can get my XV11 to recognise the shallower steps as a cliff!

[Goldndoodle]

After a week of use (and a lot of watching my NEATO clean), I've got a few suggestions ....

1) "GO TO BASE" option - a soft key to tell the XV-11 to go back to base without having to pick it up and take it over there.
2) "SUPER CLEAN" option - have XV-11 clean the room, then have it switch it's directional path by 45 or 90 degrees to clean the room again. Not just an overlap, but an angular change to clean the room a second time.

[piokrza]

2) "SUPER CLEAN" option - have XV-11 clean the room, then have it switch it's directional path by 45 or 90 degrees to clean the room again. Not just an overlap, but an angular change to clean the room a second time.

For me it would be great to have such "Max" mode as Navibot has (overlapping until battery is dead)

[sageman]

what do you meen by (1) it alredy does that if you pause it

[syossi2]

why neato dident repaly here?
i think 2.2 are not full complate
today my neato enter and out from the same room 4 times !!!! maybe he did beeter clean but like i said in the first post its need to be on an option !!!! fast and fine


yossi

[JEfromCanada]

what do you meen by (1) it alredy does that if you pause it

Assuming you started your mission with Neato on the base, if you hit the PAUSE button after the Neato finishes the perimeter of the first room, Neato will add a choice to the PAUSE menu - RETURN TO BASE.

This is possible because once Neato has passed by the base (in the process of mapping the room), it knows where the base is, and can return to it on command.

[JEfromCanada]

today my neato enter and out from the same room 4 times !!!!
yossi

Yossi,

This is a personal observation - it may not be correct...

I noticed that Neato will sometimes enter the same room more than once if someone is watching Neato while standing in a nearby doorway.

I'm guessing that by seeing a doorway partially obstructed by human legs, Neato gets the impression that it is in a different part of the house than any area it has previously recognized, and as a consequence, enters a room again as if it was a new zone.

I've found that when I'm careful to keep my body out of direct view by the scanner, this does not happen.

[syossi2]

hi
no. at my place i was out of the scanner
and still he get in and out 4 times

yossi

[fetish]

what do you meen by (1) it alredy does that if you pause it

Assuming you started your mission with Neato on the base, if you hit the PAUSE button after the Neato finishes the perimeter of the first room, Neato will add a choice to the PAUSE menu - RETURN TO BASE.

This is possible because once Neato has passed by the base (in the process of mapping the room), it knows where the base is, and can return to it on command.

Ok i can see that happening now. but it's kinda strange that finishing the first segment has to be a prerequisite for it to have the option. doesnt it already register the location of the base the moment it takes its first scan at the start of the cleaning cycle? i mean, it's so near, the LIDAR is sure to have scanned the base on the first pass.

[User38]

One would think so but Neato has confirmed the robot does not register the base until it has completed a circuit of the room. The Neato has a laser range finder which it uses to create an occupancy map (by mapping the room edges). It also has an infra red edge sensor on the right hand side.

See the following:

http://random-workshop.blogspot.com/201 ... -base.html

Neato XV-11 Charging base
As I was laying in bed last night thinking about LIDAR units I started thinking about how my XV-11 that is sitting in the box on my desk appears to run and control its drive motors without ever actually moving. It does not get an error of any kind, just keeps chugging along even though the LIDAR data being returned to it obviously indicates it is not moving anywhere.

Perhaps the LIDAR data is just for creating its internal map and since my box is easy to map it gets the data it is looking for and happily tries to drive around. I then started thinking about the charging base and how it could find this base when the base unit itself doesn't seem to send any data. A closer look shows something interesting...

Here is a picture of the unit, camera flash not used

Here is a picture of the unit, camera flash is turned on

Here is the unit with the filter (probably IR) removed.

I thought how cool is that!! Using the reflections from the charging base as a sort of LIDAR bar code! This thing just keeps impressing me! It will be interesting to look at the raw data output from the LIDAR to see how the signaling is coming across. At first glance it appears that the signal strength data will contain this info.
Posted by Hash at 9:16 AM
2 comments:

fake said...
That silvery material is called "retroreflector". It's the same thing used on road signs and safety vests. What is neat about retroreflector is that it sends light back in exactly the direction it came, with very little loss.

In this case, it means not only will there be the pattern showing up brightly, but the directional aspect means that it will be the brightest thing in the room for a certain set of angles -- which is to say in the direction of the charger.
November 29, 2010 11:33 PM

Hash said...
Thank you for the clarification. I noticed the reflective properties as I set the charger in my test setup. Signal strength readings were VERY strong.
December 1, 2010 12:48 AM

And this post:

http://www.robotreviews.com/chat/postin ... 20&p=85015

Here is a video, in the near infrared (IR) I made of the Neato showing the operation of its IR cliff and edge sensors as well as its RPS IR laser. The RPS laser operates at 785 nm, within the capabilities of the night vision scope I used to make this video. The video was shot in a completely dark hallway.

The video can be found at this YouTube link:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvcZdV-4FWs[/video]

First portion of the video shows how the cliff and edge sensors are still working even though the start button is not lit (depressed until the light went off). When the Neato is turned off via the Support menu the sensors go out.

When the start button is depressed one can see the cliff and edge sensors pulsing.

When the cleaning operation is started one can see the RPS laser start up and “paint” a line around the room. The laser’s pulse frequency of 1.8 kHz and pulse width of 200 usec is displayed on the wall as a series of dashes.

It was cool to see it work this way…..my wife calls me a geek. But maybe others will think this video is cool too.

A Sony Handycam with Night Shot capability will also detect the RPS laser and sensor operation. However, the Hanycam’s system uses an active IR source to illuminate objects and this produces some glare and reflection. This video was made with a night vision scope and an older Sony Handycam. A Canon G9 camera was used to video the Handycam screen.

Scott

I think the Neato does not register the base with its LIDAR but with the infra red edge sensor. As such it doesn't know where the base is until it has driven past it on its clockwise circuit of the room.

[fetish]

One would think so but Neato has confirmed the robot does not register the base until it has completed a circuit of the room. The Neato has a laser range finder which it uses to create an occupancy map (by mapping the room edges). It also has an infra red edge sensor on the right hand side.

See the following:

http://random-workshop.blogspot.com/201 ... -base.html

Neato XV-11 Charging base
As I was laying in bed last night thinking about LIDAR units I started thinking about how my XV-11 that is sitting in the box on my desk appears to run and control its drive motors without ever actually moving. It does not get an error of any kind, just keeps chugging along even though the LIDAR data being returned to it obviously indicates it is not moving anywhere.

Perhaps the LIDAR data is just for creating its internal map and since my box is easy to map it gets the data it is looking for and happily tries to drive around. I then started thinking about the charging base and how it could find this base when the base unit itself doesn't seem to send any data. A closer look shows something interesting...

Here is a picture of the unit, camera flash not used

Here is a picture of the unit, camera flash is turned on

Here is the unit with the filter (probably IR) removed.

I thought how cool is that!! Using the reflections from the charging base as a sort of LIDAR bar code! This thing just keeps impressing me! It will be interesting to look at the raw data output from the LIDAR to see how the signaling is coming across. At first glance it appears that the signal strength data will contain this info.
Posted by Hash at 9:16 AM
2 comments:

fake said...
That silvery material is called "retroreflector". It's the same thing used on road signs and safety vests. What is neat about retroreflector is that it sends light back in exactly the direction it came, with very little loss.

In this case, it means not only will there be the pattern showing up brightly, but the directional aspect means that it will be the brightest thing in the room for a certain set of angles -- which is to say in the direction of the charger.
November 29, 2010 11:33 PM

Hash said...
Thank you for the clarification. I noticed the reflective properties as I set the charger in my test setup. Signal strength readings were VERY strong.
December 1, 2010 12:48 AM

And this post:

http://www.robotreviews.com/chat/postin ... 20&p=85015

Here is a video, in the near infrared (IR) I made of the Neato showing the operation of its IR cliff and edge sensors as well as its RPS IR laser. The RPS laser operates at 785 nm, within the capabilities of the night vision scope I used to make this video. The video was shot in a completely dark hallway.

The video can be found at this YouTube link:

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvcZdV-4FWs[/video]

First portion of the video shows how the cliff and edge sensors are still working even though the start button is not lit (depressed until the light went off). When the Neato is turned off via the Support menu the sensors go out.

When the start button is depressed one can see the cliff and edge sensors pulsing.

When the cleaning operation is started one can see the RPS laser start up and “paint” a line around the room. The laser’s pulse frequency of 1.8 kHz and pulse width of 200 usec is displayed on the wall as a series of dashes.

It was cool to see it work this way…..my wife calls me a geek. But maybe others will think this video is cool too.

A Sony Handycam with Night Shot capability will also detect the RPS laser and sensor operation. However, the Hanycam’s system uses an active IR source to illuminate objects and this produces some glare and reflection. This video was made with a night vision scope and an older Sony Handycam. A Canon G9 camera was used to video the Handycam screen.

Scott

I think the Neato does not register the base with its LIDAR but with the infra red edge sensor. As such it doesn't know where the base is until it has driven past it on its clockwise circuit of the room.

but the docking indicator strips are situated above the IR sensor's height and smack right where the LIDAR would scan..

[sageman]

what do you meen by (1) it alredy does that if you pause it

Assuming you started your mission with Neato on the base, if you hit the PAUSE button after the Neato finishes the perimeter of the first room, Neato will add a choice to the PAUSE menu - RETURN TO BASE.

This is possible because once Neato has passed by the base (in the process of mapping the room), it knows where the base is, and can return to it on command.

yh i know thats why i wrote what i wrote

3 things to say here

1) neato cant get an accriert distance measure either at short range or long so its very possible as neato goes around the room it then knows where it is (the base) and that it would be more effictiant to let it do the room (circle) before deciding where the dock is

2) run a spot clean neer the dock (not next to and not from) the dock it will go to it anyway

3) neato somehow knows if dock is on or not even if it doesent start from it run test 2 with dock off it returns to possition

[syossi2]

i dont like the 2.1 !
i want 2.2

[djos]

I must admit that even tho I havent had any serious issues with 2.1 im seriously considering down-grading to 2.0 just because of the odd brush turn off "bug" and I also noticed that our Neato missed a small area in 1 room of our house for the first time ever.

Back on topic, one of the clever chaps around here made a high flow HEPA filter for his Neato so a configuration option to select between a standard filter and a High flow filter would be great so that Neato isnt fooled into thinking it has no filter installed and refuses to run.

[syossi2]

where is neato !!!???
do you read all this ???

[dinkydong]

Yes, where's Neato??! There are bugs with 2.1 and there are suggestions from users. I hope u'll take all these feedbacks into consideration.

where is neato !!!???
do you read all this ???